xwt.org downness

[Adam Megacz]

Unbelievable. 2.4.18 will kernel panic if you

insmod mii
insmod 8139
modprobe 8139

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[Emiliano]

Post by Adam Megacz
Unbelievable. 2.4.18 will kernel panic if you
insmod mii
insmod 8139
modprobe 8139

Have you tried the 8139too? I've had problems with alternative drivers
too that would cause them panic.

Not that I suggest you try this with the now once again functional
server ;)

Emile

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[Adam Megacz]

Er, yes, sorry, that's what I was using; s/8139/8139too/ in the
previous email.

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Post by Emiliano

Post by Adam Megacz
Unbelievable. 2.4.18 will kernel panic if you
insmod mii
insmod 8139
modprobe 8139

Have you tried the 8139too? I've had problems with alternative drivers
too that would cause them panic.
Not that I suggest you try this with the now once again functional
server ;)
Emile
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[Adam Megacz]

Apparently the kernel gets stuck in some wierd loop trying to load the
module a second time. Bad Linux!

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Post by Emiliano

Post by Adam Megacz
Unbelievable. 2.4.18 will kernel panic if you
insmod mii
insmod 8139
modprobe 8139

Have you tried the 8139too? I've had problems with alternative drivers
too that would cause them panic.
Not that I suggest you try this with the now once again functional
server ;)
Emile
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[Charles Goodwin]

Why not install one of the BSDs as the server?

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Megacz [mailto:***@xwt.org]
Sent: 11 April 2003 21:15
To: ***@xwt.org
Subject: Re: [xwt-dev] xwt.org downness



Apparently the kernel gets stuck in some wierd loop trying to load the
module a second time. Bad Linux!

- a

Post by Emiliano

Post by Adam Megacz
Unbelievable. 2.4.18 will kernel panic if you
insmod mii
insmod 8139
modprobe 8139

Have you tried the 8139too? I've had problems with alternative drivers
too that would cause them panic.
Not that I suggest you try this with the now once again functional
server ;)
Emile
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[Adam Megacz]

apt-get

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Post by Charles Goodwin
Why not install one of the BSDs as the server?
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11 April 2003 21:15
Subject: Re: [xwt-dev] xwt.org downness
Apparently the kernel gets stuck in some wierd loop trying to load the
module a second time. Bad Linux!
- a

Post by Emiliano

Post by Adam Megacz
Unbelievable. 2.4.18 will kernel panic if you
insmod mii
insmod 8139
modprobe 8139

Have you tried the 8139too? I've had problems with alternative drivers
too that would cause them panic.
Not that I suggest you try this with the now once again functional
server ;)
Emile
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[Adam Megacz]

Post by Adam Megacz

Post by Charles Goodwin
Why not install one of the BSDs as the server?

apt-get

Actually, this raises an interesting question. Debian is (in theory)
kernel-agnostic. Has anybody ported Debian to run on top of the
FreeBSD kernel?

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[David Crawshaw]

Post by Adam Megacz

Post by Adam Megacz

Post by Charles Goodwin
Why not install one of the BSDs as the server?

apt-get

Actually, this raises an interesting question. Debian is (in theory)
kernel-agnostic. Has anybody ported Debian to run on top of the
FreeBSD kernel?

There's a debian-openbsd project:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2002/debian-bsd-200210/msg00063.html

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[Emiliano]

Post by Charles Goodwin
Why not install one of the BSDs as the server?

Familiarity, perhaps? A server whose context you're familiar with is
easier to administer well then one that wou're not. For me, this
overrules the debate of Linux Rocks/BSD Rocks/Windows Rocks/ etc.

Emile

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[Charles Goodwin]

Post by Adam Megacz
apt-get

Are you familiar with FreeBSD's ports system?
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[Adam Megacz]

Post by Charles Goodwin

Post by Adam Megacz
apt-get

Are you familiar with FreeBSD's ports system?

Yes, including the fact that it lacks both 'uninstall' and
'downgrade-with-dependencies'.

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[Charles Goodwin]

Post by Adam Megacz

Post by Charles Goodwin
Are you familiar with FreeBSD's ports system?

Yes, including the fact that it lacks both 'uninstall' and
'downgrade-with-dependencies'.

Most of us lusers don't appreciate how good we get it with things like
Debian and Gentoo.

What'll be interesting is if a few suggested Gentoo projects get underway -
Gentoo/FreeBSD and Gentoo/NetBSD have been chatted about on the forum, I kid
you not. (ie overlaying portage onto the BSDs.) Sadly, more work is going
into Getnoo/GNU/Hurd.
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[Adam Megacz]

Post by Charles Goodwin
What'll be interesting is if a few suggested Gentoo projects get underway -
Gentoo/FreeBSD and Gentoo/NetBSD have been chatted about on the forum, I kid
you not. (ie overlaying portage onto the BSDs.) Sadly, more work is going
into Getnoo/GNU/Hurd.

BTW, is there a FAQ somewhere that explains why people started the
Gentoo project when apt-src already exists?

Not trying to start a flamewar here... obviously Gentoo must do
something that apt-src doesn't do (otherwise people wouldn't have put
so much work into Gentoo)... I just want to know what it is!

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[Charles Goodwin]

Post by Adam Megacz
Actually, this raises an interesting question. Debian is (in theory)
kernel-agnostic. Has anybody ported Debian to run on top of the
FreeBSD kernel?

Debian GNU/Hurd? :)

I haven't heard anything about Debian being ported to the BSDs. I think
Debian is slightly suffering in that it's image (out of date and unfriendly
to use and as a community) over the last few years has caused people (ie
developers) to sway to other distributions *cough* Gentoo *cough*.
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[Charles Goodwin]

Post by David Crawshaw
http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2002/debian-bsd-200210/msg00063.html

That says it's 'unmaintained' essentially. You wouldn't want to be using
that.
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[David Crawshaw]

Post by Charles Goodwin

Post by David Crawshaw
http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2002/debian-bsd-200210/
msg00063.html

That says it's 'unmaintained' essentially. You wouldn't want to be using
that.

Oh, they're not useful projects. :) Believe me, you want OpenBSD, you
use OpenBSD.

It doesn't have the clever portage system I'm used to on my home
servers, but I still stick to OpenBSD for firewalls and basic Samba
servers.

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[Charles Goodwin]

Post by Adam Megacz
BTW, is there a FAQ somewhere that explains why people started the
Gentoo project when apt-src already exists?
Not trying to start a flamewar here... obviously Gentoo must do
something that apt-src doesn't do (otherwise people wouldn't have put
so much work into Gentoo)... I just want to know what it is!

apt-src doesn't compare to portage, portage is so flexible. USE vars make
it, really, and also a different init system.

USE vars stipulate what support (if available) you want compiled into an
app... here's my USE vars:

USE="alsa apache2 bonobo evo gtk2 imap innodb ldap maildir mbox -motif
mozilla mysql -oss perl plotutils postgres samba sse tcltk"

You can't do that, AFAIK, with apt-src.

There's other major advantages. Gentoo is bleeding edge. An app gets
released and it's in portage within 24 hours (presuming there's a developer
interested enough to add it) although you install it at your own risk. But
Gentoo current (as in tested and encouraged packages) is so far ahead of
Debian stable it's untrue.

TBH Debian should be as good as Gentoo, but some rather ridiculous political
stances seem to prevent them from making better progress than perhaps the
project should.

Disclaimer: these are not expert opinions... I failed to install Debian (I
couldn't download a bloodey ISO, all the links from debian.org were dud or
difficult and I was new to linux at the time - didn't know about
ibiblio.org)
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[Adam Megacz]

Post by Charles Goodwin
USE vars stipulate what support (if available) you want compiled into an
USE="alsa apache2 bonobo evo gtk2 imap innodb ldap maildir mbox -motif
mozilla mysql -oss perl plotutils postgres samba sse tcltk"

AFAIK Debian either packages them seperately (if possible) or enables
everything... in the latter case, what do you get from Gentoo besides
saving a bit of disk space?

Post by Charles Goodwin
Gentoo current (as in tested and encouraged packages) is so far ahead of
Debian stable it's untrue.

This may be a valid argument, but it is an organizational issue, not a
technical one. In other words, Gentoo could have accomplished this
without completely reinventing the packaging system and breaking
compatability with Debian. They should (IMHO) have just forked
Debian like Fink did.

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